Talk:Blind Fight

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Shame on your *****!

You do not put post private informaton on the internet, Syylk. Including postig state and city. Stop defacing articles and stop posting a person's informaton in talk discussions. -- ARHicks00

IN REPLY: Well, looks like I got your attention. -- Syylk

This is not remotely funny. You do not put a person information on Wikipedia. I don't care if you're trying to get a person attention that can get you arrested for invasion of privacy. Putting up a person name and address is inviting harm to that person and his/her immediately family. The fact that you disregarded this to post that information over a wikipedia article shows that you are sociopath and have a sick fixation on a game. You are obsessed Syylk as you are still harassing me around wikipedia throwing insults. I've report you to moderators of this wikipedia and documented your actions to them. You've added nothing to this wikipedia except insult and personal information that has nothing to do with the articles. -- ARHicks00

IN REPLY: Why are you deleting my comments on this discussion page? -- Syylk

Because you throwing insults and putting personal information in discussion. You have gone to countless article defacing them because you either attempting to harass or trying to put your own spin them. Regardless, of what happened here, what you did can be considered criminally offensive in a court of law. No matter how mad you get with someone, you do not trying to risk putting their family in danger. You have a problem then you refer to a moderator. You do not post personal information in discussion forums thinking it is funny or eye catching. Anyone who agrees with you is just as sick. Now this childish bickering on your part will end here until the moderators come. Opinion forms/discussion are not here for you slander or post personal information. -- ARHicks00

Please don't start posting all sorts of rubbish on these pages. They are supposed to be factual descriptions of the feat. Even if the addition was 100% accurate and complete talking about Turn Undead in the Blind Fight description is way off topic. Keep it short, and KISS. And for goodness sake check the grammar and spelling before saving.

They are actual facts and feats, includig in the examples with Turn Undead and spellcasing. I didn't add the anything to description, but left a side note at the bottom of the page to let people know how the feat works and to whom the feat/skill is importatn too. That's why they are called examples and for goodness sake take your own advice when it comes to grammar as you don't begin sentences with 'And'. Plus, you're suppose to be adding your signatures at the end of every reply.

Now stop the childish bickering because this isn't what wikipedia is for. Now, if you see a mistake, clean it up, but don't deface the notes unless they are truly inaccurate. -- ARHicks00

'And' is fine to start sentences with, once you leave first grade behind. It a style thing. It's not like "importatn" and "includig". Or like telling people that Wizards can use spells. --Thorsson 21:09, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Do you mean, "It is a style thing." By MLA standards, which are universal professional standards of writing, you don't start with a sentence with 'And'. This is something you learn from the time you get in college. (Earlier in other places) Lastly, some of the people here are new and don't know how these classes work. Thus, the reason why I detail it in my notes. -- ARHicks00

I've seen your standard of writing, and you don't have the right to criticise anyone. Now, if you want to talk about how to play a class, don't do it in the description of a feat. It should be simple enough to understand. --Thorsson 21:25, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Criticize? I'm going to stop here because it seems like a safe point and additional comments isn't contributing to the productive of this wiki. -- ARHicks00

I'm English. If you were educated as highly as you would like others to think, you would have realised that by now.--Thorsson 21:42, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] This page is now by edited Solely by Pain

If you want to make a change, suggest it here on the talk page for the time being.

Thanks Pain and sorry for any inconviences. -- ARHicks00

That's a relief. --Thorsson 00:17, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

The day you stop posting, it will be. -- ARHicks00

The current description of Blind fight is incorrect, it currently reads:

"Blind Fight increase your chance of hitting concealed creatures by 50% of their concealment value. For example a Displaced creature (50% concealment) is effectively reduced to 25% concealed, because you get a second attack roll against them for every swing.

It only increases your chance your to hit with an attack. Blind Fight does not guarantee a hit against concealed opponents, it does not increase damage against concealed opponents, and it does not make you immune to flank attacks. It simply gives you a second chance to hit and prevents your opponent gaining a bonus to hit."

However, what it does is it lets you reroll your miss chance, this has the effect of squaring the effective concealment of a target. If a target has 50% concealment, to miss said target one would have to fail both rolls, which has a probability of 0.5*0.5=0.25, hence 25% percent. Similarly if a target has 10% concealment (e.g. from Ghostly Visage), to miss said target one would have to fail both rolls, which has a a probability of 0.1*0.1=0.01, or 1%. By the formula suggested in the current description, a creature with Blind-Fight attacking another creature with 10% concealment would effectively be treated as having (0.1*0.5=0.05) 5% concealment, which is erroneous.

Also the +2 bonus to hit that invisible creature should have against a sighted opponent was never implemented in NWN2, so there is no damage bonus which the feat negates. The in game description was copied from the PnP source.

Please edit the entry accordingly Mithdradates 06:23, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Please go to concealment and get that corrected too. Thanks.--Thorsson 19:39, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone actually know if this feat works ingame for ranged/melee touch? Did some tests with patch 1.23 on 50% concealed mobs, and still see only miss or hit... no two-roll miss/miss or miss/hit like it should be under the feat description. 74.12.78.75 23:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC)